Why you'll love this course

Structural family therapy is a great entry point into family work, especially if your initial training in families was minimal. Jon Kramer takes powerful systemic concepts and makes them immediately applicable in this interview.

Course description

"Homeostasis is a powerful thing because there's great comfort in it. Even if there's a lot of pain and a lot of misery." Jon Kramer, LCSW only works with couples and families. In this interview with John Webber and RJ Thomas, he describes how he uses structural work to break homeostasis and create lasting change. Topics include the role of symptoms, breaking homeostasis, structural therapy goals, secrets in therapy, and more.

Audio format (non-interactive); 70 minutes

Learning objectives

By the end of this workshop, participants will be able to:

  • Identify the primary vehicle of change in structural family therapy.

  • Describe structural methods of creating change even in "stuck" families.

  • Defend a new conceptualization of how therapists should handle secrets in family therapy.


RJ Thomas, LMFT and John Webber, LMFT

R.J. Thomas and John Webber are both licensed Marriage and Family Therapists in private practice in the Los Angeles area. R.J. works with individuals, couples, and families from a systemic perspective. He is trained in Structural Family Therapy and Emotionally Focused Therapy. He also conducts family therapy trainings. John works from an existential-humanistic perspective and sees himself helping individuals, couples and families find meaning in their lives. He has been a guest lecturer at USC. RJ and John both share a history in media production and journalism. They co-host the Talking Therapy podcast.

This course is not part of our continuing education program approved through NAADAC. For more information, please see our Approvals page.